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welcome back everyone i know that was

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not much of a break but we've got so

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much fantastic content to show you we're

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very excited for our next speaker

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uh simeon hein dr simeon hein is going

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to be giving us our next presentation

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it's on the bias of witness reports of

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anomalous encounters and abductions the

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role of social stigma and reducing data

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flow i will kick that off in just a

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moment but i want to give a quick

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introduction to dr hein

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dr simeon hein received his degree in

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sociology from washington state

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university in 1992.

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his main areas of interest include

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non-linear research methods

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complexity theory and technology in

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society

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his first he first learned remote

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viewing in 1996

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and worked as an instructor at the

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farsight institute in atlanta georgia

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he has taught resident viewing at the

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mount baldy institute in baldur in

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boulder colorado since 1997

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his books include opening minds a

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journey of extraordinary encounters crop

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circles and resonance in black resonance

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pardon me

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and black swan ghosts a sociologist

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encounters witnesses to unexplained

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aerial craft their occupants and other

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elements of the multiverse

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his most recent work is dark matter

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monsters cryptids ball lightning and

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science of secret life forms

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and with that let's move right into the

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video i will

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kick it off and dismiss myself from the

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sociologist that's what my phd is and i

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used to teach statistics

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before i got involved in some of these

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topics i was at washington state

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university and

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i want to show you how a sociologist

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at some of these topics because those of

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us that have been involved with

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statistics and research methods

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we're concerned if we're actually

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getting accurate data that we're looking

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at that we're making sense of we often

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see people do statistical analyses

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are they using all of the data that's

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there or they only using a small sub

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sample and is that sub sample

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representative

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of the entire population so we're going

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to get into that now

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with topics uh about ufo ufo encounters

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other types of encounters and ufo

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abductions to see what we can

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now my interest in this subject matter

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viewing this is something that i learned

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and i heard courtney brown who has been

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uh in the past

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he was talking about it at my local

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radio station i had just finished uh

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being you know being in university at

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wsu up in washington state

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and i really thought remote viewing i

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mean courtney was saying that other

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people could do it anyone could do it

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you didn't have to be special so i

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this is really interesting this is

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something that could really change my

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world view if it's real this would have

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how we look at reality but i was also

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skeptical it's not a bad thing to be

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skeptical i sort of wanted to go as an

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open-minded skeptic i was open to it

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being real remote viewing which paul

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smith is going to talk about

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later on in the afternoon the ability to

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acquire information from things at a

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distance people places and events that

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that you could acquire this data i

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learned the system that courtney taught

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which was based on ingo swan who i was

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before he passed on in 2013 he was at

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the irva conferences and the irva and

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ssc have held meetings together in the

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uh i learned the crv system and i also

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learned it later on from another person

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who had been in the military viewing

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unit which paul smith will talk about

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from limb buchanan and it was really the

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same thing it's a written system

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shows you how to stop editing your

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down impressions you get without doing

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was surprised to find how accurate it

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myself within a day or two was getting

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accurate results and so were everyone

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even be done double-blind so no one

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knows what the target is and you still

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russell targe on the right who've also

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really valuable to them to learn that

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anyone really had some ability to do

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that the public had never been seen i

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90s where i saw he always said he had

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never seen anything he hadn't had an

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apollo craft and so forth and he was

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certain it was a real phenomena and he

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believe that parents would hurt their

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children or abuse them in any way

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it took

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a bunch of professionals getting

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together in conferences and ron's

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written a lot about this

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which culminated in a 1962 national

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and various experts were brought

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radiologists and doctors pediatricians

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and so forth they compared the evidence

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and they concluded it was really

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happening and it wasn't until that 1962

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conference

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that

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the issue of child abuse was considered

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real and those of us who are you know

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living now would find that almost

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incomprehensible right i mean i was born

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in 1963. it's hard to imagine that this

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is something you could have brought up

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before 1962 and people wouldn't have

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taken you seriously i mean i i find that

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really incredible

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but that's the reality of it is it's not

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only evidence that matters it's the

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social context in the milieu at the time

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that determines whether scientists and

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professionals will take the evidence

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seriously and child abuse is an example

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there was legislation passed in various

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states it became something that you

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could talk about doctors were not afraid

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to say this if they thought it was

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happening to children pediatricians and

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so forth

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so

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we can connect the history of how

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society dealt with child abuse in the

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u.s to many other phenomena that we

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consider to be paranormal phenomena

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because

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we know that it isn't just the amount of

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evidence that you have it's the

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willingness to look at evidence and

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actually

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look at it seriously to have discussions

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with other professionals so we're often

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told with a topic like ufos which we'll

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get into a second here

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that um you know there's not enough

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evidence and so forth and that's just

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obviously hogwash it's the way the

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evidence has been treated

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and

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the way it's been ignored which we'll

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look at in a second

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which has allowed scientists to say not

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enough evidence for this topic it's just

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like child abuse the evidence has been

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there the whole time and i'm going to

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argue that here at least you don't have

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to agree but i'm going to argue the

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evidence has been there the whole time

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it's just there have been a variety of

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impediments

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to allow or dissuade scientists and

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experiencers people who experience this

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and people in the military who were

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around a lot of sensor systems from

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wanting to talk about it because of fear

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of ridicule stigma

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negative impacts on their career as some

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have said it might not be career

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enhancing those who presented ssc in the

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past so you get the idea there and

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this stigma prevents people from coming

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forward and scientists from studying the

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topic and it can completely hide the

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existence of the topic just like it hid

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the existence of child abuse and so what

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ron has always shared with us is that

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scientists didn't want to avoid they

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didn't want to talk about better

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children because their legal

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consequences to doing so

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they didn't want to gather any evidence

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on their own they just probably paid

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attention to what they were hearing

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which isn't very scientific they were

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just looking at

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their own

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beliefs about it and what they probably

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read in the newspaper and then they're

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more interested in paying attention to

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common sense

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right

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than

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looking at the evidence

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so you'll often hear this in

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discussions now people like neil tyson

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and degrasse and others who you see on

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the news media talking about ufos in the

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past couple weeks

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and others

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uh bill nye when you hear them making

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arguments it's not really always it's

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not based on evidence it's sort of based

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on their sort of

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just so sort of common sense stories

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which are no better than our just so

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common sense stories so we shouldn't

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necessarily listen to them now ron

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westrom brought up another really

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fascinating case in history which is

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meteorites

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there was a time when people didn't

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believe in meteorites scientists didn't

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believe the evidence even though there

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were meteorites that would fall from the

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sky people would see them streak across

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they would find the stones

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they didn't believe in meteorites

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because at the time at least until the

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early 1800s

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people believed in the aristotelian view

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of the universe and what did aristotle

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tell us

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that there is no change beyond the lunar

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sphere back then

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scientists natural philosophers as they

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were called

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believe that the planets rotated on

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these crystalline spheres and nothing

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ever happened out there it was a static

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zone so they said

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there can be no stones falling from the

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sky because there are no stones in the

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sky and nothing beyond the moon actually

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generated any activity

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so when these stones would be found the

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meteorites they would say maybe they

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came from a volcano there was 130 that

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they were being ejected by the moon and

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it took the work of

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two scientists um

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and others few others who they conversed

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with at the time

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uh ernst friedrich florence colladny

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otherwise known as the father of

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acoustics invented the wave functions

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that became part of the schrodinger wave

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function in quantum mechanics he created

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it back then to a very kind of

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simplified form that would work for one

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electron

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uh a simple waveform he proposed in 1794

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that meteorites were extraterrestrial

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and no one believed it and

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it got to the point where meteorites

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were all confiscated from all the

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museums there apparently there's only

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one meteorite left in france where the

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french academy of scientists confisc

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ordered all the meteorites to be

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confiscated said they weren't real

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there was one big one they apparently

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couldn't move and that's the only one

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you'll find from pre-1800s

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so koladni proposed this the

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extraterrestrial theory of meteorites

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which people laughed away at the time

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there isn't anything extraterrestrial

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they said until it was an acquaintance

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of

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colladny uh jean-baptiste bio who

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uh and you can read about this it's it's

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online uh bo collected a lot of samples

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when there was a huge uh meteor storm in

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1803 in eagle france

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and 3 000 meteorites fell in one night

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and they could no longer deny it they

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had

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evidence all of a sudden meteorites

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became extraterrestrial so we have seen

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these sort of debates happen in the past

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about whether phenomena are

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extraterrestrial or not and you should

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keep in mind that there was a time even

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when we didn't think meteorites could be

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extraterrestrial you know ideas change

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over time and there's huge debate over

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it

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now

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fast forward to the present we've had

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evidence presented of encounters

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ufo phenomena now more

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politically

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correctly described as uap

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by i think the mod

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uk's mod first started using that

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terminology

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there was an event in washington dc

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national press club in 2013. it was

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sponsored by the power of paradigm

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research group stephen bassett

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uh you can see danny sheehan at the end

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there they had these panels these were

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all retired congressmen and one senator

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senator gravel who i have to say passed

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away a few weeks ago unfortunately he'd

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even run for president at one point he's

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sitting there a third from the right

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and a number of retired congress people

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now why couldn't they get any uh active

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congress people to share this mock

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hearing the idea of bassett and others

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but let's bring evidence forward they

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got about 40 witnesses over five days it

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was really interesting

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the evidence was presented

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these are retired congressmen and a

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retired senator because they couldn't

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get any active congressman or senator to

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attend

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so they had to pay retired congressman

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and a senator to attend because why

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social stigma who wants to be associated

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with ufos in 2013

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it was really fun there were 40

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witnesses witnesses from latin america

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including a pilot from peru who had

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gotten into a dog fight with one of

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these ufos released all the rounds from

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his sukhoi fighter jet

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they were allies with the soviet union

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at the time peru

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uh and nothing happened just like kind

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of dave fravor and the tic tac which

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we'll talk about in a moment so the i'm

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going to make the argument here the

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evidence has been here but no one has

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wanted to look at it

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even with this citizen hearing and

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that's by the way a minister of defense

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retired from canada paul hellyer there

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were pretty high level witnesses there

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including paul hellyer and others but

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about 40 people it was really

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fascinating

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c-span wouldn't even turn on their

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cameras this is why you don't know about

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this the cameras are in the room they

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can be turned on remotely

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that's how you see things on c-span

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right there's several c-span channels

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they wouldn't show this

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the washington post

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and other newspapers wrote some snarky

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articles afterwards about this and i was

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sitting next to a new york times

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reporter

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and he told me this is the best evidence

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i've ever heard

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i can't get them to send anyone from new

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york city to cover it

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how about that

549
00:19:58,070 --> 00:19:55,360
so we had witnesses gary hesseltine from

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the uk former police detective and

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you know studied the ufo phenomena

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there's evidence there's lots of

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evidence this is what gary hasseltein

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convinces of but if no one wants to look

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00:20:13,830 --> 00:20:11,440
at the evidence we we don't make any

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progress on it now one of the real

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interesting witnesses here i thought

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were the nuclear missile launch officers

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several of them

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bob salas and others he had encouraged

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others to come forward including dave

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shindelli

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in the 1960s and told us how he had

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showed up at work one day he had seen

565
00:20:37,830 --> 00:20:36,000
some reports of ufos on the news and all

566
00:20:39,510 --> 00:20:37,840
the missiles in his

567
00:20:41,590 --> 00:20:39,520
missile control

568
00:20:43,510 --> 00:20:41,600
system had gone down when he went into

569
00:20:45,270 --> 00:20:43,520
the control room he was told there was a

570
00:20:47,430 --> 00:20:45,280
problem but all of them were down and it

571
00:20:49,190 --> 00:20:47,440
turned out a ufo had come over

572
00:20:50,870 --> 00:20:49,200
that particular

573
00:20:53,270 --> 00:20:50,880
launch facility

574
00:20:55,669 --> 00:20:53,280
uh somewhere in the area of minot north

575
00:20:57,270 --> 00:20:55,679
dakota and all the missiles had gone

576
00:20:59,110 --> 00:20:57,280
down which is a real big deal if you can

577
00:21:01,190 --> 00:20:59,120
imagine they actually get they're graded

578
00:21:03,830 --> 00:21:01,200
by the missile uptime

579
00:21:05,830 --> 00:21:03,840
these control launch officers

580
00:21:07,590 --> 00:21:05,840
but the most shocking thing to him

581
00:21:09,430 --> 00:21:07,600
was the air force called him into the

582
00:21:11,430 --> 00:21:09,440
room later that day investigators come

583
00:21:12,789 --> 00:21:11,440
from dc and what did they say it never

584
00:21:16,149 --> 00:21:12,799
happened

585
00:21:18,230 --> 00:21:16,159
about it to anyone including your wife

586
00:21:20,549 --> 00:21:18,240
ever and he didn't for 30 years until

587
00:21:22,549 --> 00:21:20,559
bob salas convinced him to come to the

588
00:21:24,630 --> 00:21:22,559
citizen hearing so

589
00:21:26,310 --> 00:21:24,640
if this is going on how are we

590
00:21:28,950 --> 00:21:26,320
scientifically supposed to make any

591
00:21:31,909 --> 00:21:28,960
sense of this phenomena if people aren't

592
00:21:33,029 --> 00:21:31,919
are told or even have to sign ndas that

593
00:21:35,990 --> 00:21:33,039
could have

594
00:21:37,830 --> 00:21:36,000
financial or even uh you know other

595
00:21:40,070 --> 00:21:37,840
consequences they could be jailed for

596
00:21:41,350 --> 00:21:40,080
talking about it you won't hear about it

597
00:21:42,710 --> 00:21:41,360
and that's what we're dealing with i

598
00:21:45,029 --> 00:21:42,720
interviewed a miss

599
00:21:46,950 --> 00:21:45,039
missile security guard gary sterling

600
00:21:48,149 --> 00:21:46,960
this is on my youtube page by the way

601
00:21:50,470 --> 00:21:48,159
you can get to my youtube page by just

602
00:21:53,110 --> 00:21:50,480
putting my name in

603
00:21:55,029 --> 00:21:53,120
uh gary sterling was also at minot in

604
00:21:57,270 --> 00:21:55,039
the 1970s

605
00:21:58,870 --> 00:21:57,280
and he had an experience where he's

606
00:22:00,230 --> 00:21:58,880
ordered with his

607
00:22:02,070 --> 00:22:00,240
colleague to go out in their security

608
00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:02,080
alert truck to

609
00:22:06,310 --> 00:22:04,960
a missile launch facility where there

610
00:22:07,830 --> 00:22:06,320
are

611
00:22:09,110 --> 00:22:07,840
alarms have been going off all day he

612
00:22:10,870 --> 00:22:09,120
goes out there thinking it could be a

613
00:22:12,630 --> 00:22:10,880
jackrabbit or a badger as he said they

614
00:22:14,950 --> 00:22:12,640
can set off the alarms

615
00:22:16,149 --> 00:22:14,960
uh no there was a huge blinding object

616
00:22:17,430 --> 00:22:16,159
he said it was so bright you couldn't

617
00:22:18,710 --> 00:22:17,440
even look at it that's why he couldn't

618
00:22:20,549 --> 00:22:18,720
tell me the shape

619
00:22:22,630 --> 00:22:20,559
and he was gracious enough to give us an

620
00:22:24,710 --> 00:22:22,640
interview he suffered suffered medical

621
00:22:26,310 --> 00:22:24,720
injuries from being exposed to this

622
00:22:28,310 --> 00:22:26,320
object all on the right side of this

623
00:22:29,190 --> 00:22:28,320
body to this day

624
00:22:30,870 --> 00:22:29,200
uh

625
00:22:33,029 --> 00:22:30,880
he can't get the records from the va

626
00:22:35,510 --> 00:22:33,039
they say they lost their records

627
00:22:37,029 --> 00:22:35,520
but the point is he was also told never

628
00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:37,039
happened

629
00:22:40,149 --> 00:22:38,400
it won't be good for your career if you

630
00:22:42,630 --> 00:22:40,159
talk about it don't go think of talking

631
00:22:43,669 --> 00:22:42,640
to the press okay so i'm suggesting if

632
00:22:47,430 --> 00:22:43,679
we

633
00:22:48,549 --> 00:22:47,440
citizenry i've encountered some of them

634
00:22:51,029 --> 00:22:48,559
myself

635
00:22:53,029 --> 00:22:51,039
and interviewed them how many more are

636
00:22:54,549 --> 00:22:53,039
out there thousands of people from the

637
00:22:55,990 --> 00:22:54,559
military that have experienced these

638
00:22:58,950 --> 00:22:56,000
phenomena

639
00:23:01,110 --> 00:22:58,960
and if we don't have any witness

640
00:23:03,190 --> 00:23:01,120
testimony we can't really make sense of

641
00:23:04,390 --> 00:23:03,200
what this phenomena is

642
00:23:06,470 --> 00:23:04,400
uh

643
00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:06,480
he was separated from the colleague he

644
00:23:10,070 --> 00:23:08,400
had in the security alert truck and

645
00:23:11,590 --> 00:23:10,080
never saw him again which often happens

646
00:23:13,110 --> 00:23:11,600
in these cases robert hastings has

647
00:23:15,430 --> 00:23:13,120
written about this

648
00:23:16,549 --> 00:23:15,440
uh he didn't suffer any missing time or

649
00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:16,559
anything like that it's just that

650
00:23:19,830 --> 00:23:18,240
everything was burned on the right side

651
00:23:21,669 --> 00:23:19,840
of the truck that was exposed to the

652
00:23:23,590 --> 00:23:21,679
object that was taking off near the silo

653
00:23:24,950 --> 00:23:23,600
we said jets were scrambled

654
00:23:27,909 --> 00:23:24,960
they knew about it but have you ever

655
00:23:29,430 --> 00:23:27,919
heard about this incident no

656
00:23:31,350 --> 00:23:29,440
now the reason we didn't hear about

657
00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:31,360
these incidents is the u.s government

658
00:23:34,870 --> 00:23:33,600
and specifically the air force

659
00:23:36,549 --> 00:23:34,880
uh

660
00:23:39,190 --> 00:23:36,559
decided we shouldn't hear about this

661
00:23:41,029 --> 00:23:39,200
they hired edward condon at the end of

662
00:23:43,350 --> 00:23:41,039
project blue book project blue book

663
00:23:44,470 --> 00:23:43,360
ostensibly being a project within the

664
00:23:48,230 --> 00:23:44,480
air force

665
00:23:50,470 --> 00:23:48,240
to evaluate the ufo's uh post well it

666
00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:50,480
was started in it started really in the

667
00:23:53,830 --> 00:23:52,320
late 50s they i know people that have

668
00:23:55,029 --> 00:23:53,840
worked for blue book uh some of their

669
00:23:56,310 --> 00:23:55,039
interviews are actually on my youtube

670
00:23:58,310 --> 00:23:56,320
channel too but

671
00:23:59,590 --> 00:23:58,320
at the end of this the air force wanted

672
00:24:01,190 --> 00:23:59,600
to get out of this business they

673
00:24:03,190 --> 00:24:01,200
couldn't make sense of it they wanted to

674
00:24:06,149 --> 00:24:03,200
explain most of them away as just as

675
00:24:08,470 --> 00:24:06,159
you've heard swamp gas ice crystals

676
00:24:11,110 --> 00:24:08,480
pilot misidentification completely

677
00:24:14,149 --> 00:24:11,120
ignoring the national security

678
00:24:15,909 --> 00:24:14,159
implications of this these phenomena

679
00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:15,919
edward content just up the hill here

680
00:24:18,950 --> 00:24:17,600
from me at the university of colorado

681
00:24:22,470 --> 00:24:18,960
was hired

682
00:24:24,470 --> 00:24:22,480
uh given a 500 000 dollar

683
00:24:26,149 --> 00:24:24,480
contract which is a lot of money even by

684
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:26,159
these days right i think how much you

685
00:24:29,750 --> 00:24:28,320
get to do your projects for researching

686
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:29,760
the subject area

687
00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:32,400
uh he said before the

688
00:24:36,310 --> 00:24:34,320
the project concluded that he was going

689
00:24:38,390 --> 00:24:36,320
to make it look like a fair scientific

690
00:24:39,830 --> 00:24:38,400
study but he was also going to

691
00:24:41,430 --> 00:24:39,840
communicate to people that it shouldn't

692
00:24:43,269 --> 00:24:41,440
be taken seriously

693
00:24:45,269 --> 00:24:43,279
he had already reached his mind his

694
00:24:47,669 --> 00:24:45,279
conclusion before the end of the

695
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:47,679
continent report which he concluded at

696
00:24:50,950 --> 00:24:48,720
the end

697
00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:50,960
there's no scientific basis to study

698
00:24:55,990 --> 00:24:53,200
these phenomena and they pose no

699
00:24:58,630 --> 00:24:56,000
national security risk now this is after

700
00:25:02,149 --> 00:24:58,640
the minot incidence this is after the

701
00:25:04,549 --> 00:25:02,159
incidents at great falls montana

702
00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:04,559
which bob salas described you can

703
00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:06,400
readily find his stories about the same

704
00:25:10,950 --> 00:25:08,000
thing happening it happened in all the

705
00:25:13,269 --> 00:25:10,960
northern tier sac bases from maine

706
00:25:15,590 --> 00:25:13,279
laureen air force base all the way to

707
00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:15,600
great falls montana same thing these

708
00:25:19,269 --> 00:25:17,360
objects would come over

709
00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:19,279
and if you look at the declassified

710
00:25:22,149 --> 00:25:21,120
documents the air force described them

711
00:25:24,710 --> 00:25:22,159
as

712
00:25:26,710 --> 00:25:24,720
unidentified enemy helicopters whatever

713
00:25:28,950 --> 00:25:26,720
those could be that can move in

714
00:25:31,269 --> 00:25:28,960
incredible speeds if such a technology

715
00:25:32,950 --> 00:25:31,279
ever existed for helicopters in the 60s

716
00:25:34,230 --> 00:25:32,960
well these all existed when the condom

717
00:25:35,590 --> 00:25:34,240
report came out and they weren't

718
00:25:37,350 --> 00:25:35,600
included in the condo report so how

719
00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:37,360
could someone make i mean this is a

720
00:25:42,070 --> 00:25:40,320
glaring omission scientifically

721
00:25:43,830 --> 00:25:42,080
glaring it's a scientific study of

722
00:25:46,149 --> 00:25:43,840
unidentified objects but it doesn't even

723
00:25:46,950 --> 00:25:46,159
include all the missile overflights

724
00:25:48,870 --> 00:25:46,960
which

725
00:25:51,029 --> 00:25:48,880
put the missiles out of commission in

726
00:25:52,710 --> 00:25:51,039
some cases they launched they initiated

727
00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:52,720
the launch sequences

728
00:25:57,029 --> 00:25:54,880
which is ex think how serious that is it

729
00:25:58,870 --> 00:25:57,039
also happened in the soviet union same

730
00:26:00,710 --> 00:25:58,880
thing missiles would go down we have

731
00:26:01,750 --> 00:26:00,720
testimony from former

732
00:26:03,510 --> 00:26:01,760
uh

733
00:26:05,350 --> 00:26:03,520
people involved in the soviet military

734
00:26:07,110 --> 00:26:05,360
same thing happened missile

735
00:26:08,549 --> 00:26:07,120
launch sequences would be initiated how

736
00:26:10,710 --> 00:26:08,559
could you possibly say that has no

737
00:26:12,549 --> 00:26:10,720
national security implications this is

738
00:26:14,549 --> 00:26:12,559
just a big glaring emission in our

739
00:26:15,909 --> 00:26:14,559
history folks and we have to fix it

740
00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:15,919
because

741
00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:17,919
if this is the public's impression and

742
00:26:21,350 --> 00:26:19,679
scientists won't touch the subject but

743
00:26:22,710 --> 00:26:21,360
it's being experienced by people what do

744
00:26:24,549 --> 00:26:22,720
you think is going to happen well

745
00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:24,559
exactly what's happening right now

746
00:26:29,350 --> 00:26:26,640
uh you've all heard by now of the nimitz

747
00:26:30,630 --> 00:26:29,360
2000 uap event

748
00:26:32,950 --> 00:26:30,640
uh

749
00:26:35,430 --> 00:26:32,960
are these hidden events yes it happened

750
00:26:37,590 --> 00:26:35,440
at 2004. we didn't hear about it until a

751
00:26:39,350 --> 00:26:37,600
few of the technicians and the chief

752
00:26:41,909 --> 00:26:39,360
radar operator

753
00:26:43,350 --> 00:26:41,919
went public and started talking about

754
00:26:44,710 --> 00:26:43,360
this it was

755
00:26:47,590 --> 00:26:44,720
released here and there but no one

756
00:26:50,549 --> 00:26:47,600
believed it but then all of a sudden

757
00:26:52,390 --> 00:26:50,559
uh these objects were seen for a week

758
00:26:54,789 --> 00:26:52,400
they were detected with the spy one

759
00:26:57,029 --> 00:26:54,799
radar from the princeton which was part

760
00:26:58,710 --> 00:26:57,039
of the nimitz carrier group

761
00:27:02,070 --> 00:26:58,720
one of the most advanced the most

762
00:27:05,830 --> 00:27:02,080
advanced radar that exists i'm told and

763
00:27:08,310 --> 00:27:05,840
finally uh kevin day the senior chief uh

764
00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:08,320
radar operator says to the captain we

765
00:27:12,070 --> 00:27:10,320
need to scramble some jets and see what

766
00:27:14,710 --> 00:27:12,080
these are they're coming from 80 000

767
00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:14,720
feet down to 50 feet in under two

768
00:27:18,870 --> 00:27:16,640
seconds which puts them at about 20 000

769
00:27:20,789 --> 00:27:18,880
miles an hour you've seen these photos

770
00:27:24,070 --> 00:27:20,799
you've heard about this now

771
00:27:26,149 --> 00:27:24,080
there was a summary done within the navy

772
00:27:28,230 --> 00:27:26,159
and they sort of summarized what they

773
00:27:29,909 --> 00:27:28,240
could say about it so it was discussed

774
00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:29,919
in the navy but we didn't really find

775
00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:31,919
out about it as you know the public so

776
00:27:35,190 --> 00:27:33,520
how are we as scientists supposed to

777
00:27:37,430 --> 00:27:35,200
make any sense of this

778
00:27:39,430 --> 00:27:37,440
if the military until recently hasn't

779
00:27:41,909 --> 00:27:39,440
started you know talking about it they

780
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:41,919
call them aavs anomalous aerial vehicles

781
00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:43,440
now they're called uaps you can call

782
00:27:46,549 --> 00:27:44,720
them whatever you want

783
00:27:48,070 --> 00:27:46,559
but they move with aerodynamic

784
00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:48,080
characteristics

785
00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:50,080
as president obama said a couple weeks

786
00:27:54,230 --> 00:27:52,000
ago in a late night

787
00:27:55,750 --> 00:27:54,240
a tv interview that the flight patterns

788
00:27:58,389 --> 00:27:55,760
are very hard to

789
00:28:00,070 --> 00:27:58,399
uh identify based on what we know about

790
00:28:01,909 --> 00:28:00,080
our aircraft work you know ability just

791
00:28:04,230 --> 00:28:01,919
to stop start make right angle turns

792
00:28:05,990 --> 00:28:04,240
move at 20 000 miles an hour trans

793
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:06,000
medium as you've heard some people say

794
00:28:08,870 --> 00:28:07,919
can go into the water so forth things

795
00:28:10,789 --> 00:28:08,880
like this

796
00:28:12,389 --> 00:28:10,799
so we apparently don't have anything

797
00:28:14,710 --> 00:28:12,399
like this we're told from people who've

798
00:28:18,870 --> 00:28:14,720
been in the military chris mellon and

799
00:28:21,269 --> 00:28:18,880
luis elizondo um in any case uh they

800
00:28:23,029 --> 00:28:21,279
were tracked by the fleer flights and

801
00:28:25,269 --> 00:28:23,039
i'm just say going over the quickly i'm

802
00:28:26,470 --> 00:28:25,279
sure most of you have heard about this

803
00:28:28,549 --> 00:28:26,480
uh

804
00:28:30,070 --> 00:28:28,559
on the news you've seen it recently you

805
00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:30,080
can we can ask you can ask questions

806
00:28:33,029 --> 00:28:31,200
about this during the question and

807
00:28:35,430 --> 00:28:33,039
answer but this is a sort of a hidden

808
00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:35,440
event why i'll show you why

809
00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:36,880
i got to interview all four of these

810
00:28:41,269 --> 00:28:38,960
guys at the ufo megacon conference in

811
00:28:42,630 --> 00:28:41,279
2019 in lawson i just asked them can i

812
00:28:43,909 --> 00:28:42,640
interview you about this they said sure

813
00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:43,919
they wanted to come forward so we had

814
00:28:46,389 --> 00:28:45,600
senior chief operations specialist kevin

815
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:46,399
day

816
00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:49,440
a top gun trained radar specialist one

817
00:28:54,070 --> 00:28:50,880
of the best raider operators in the

818
00:28:57,110 --> 00:28:54,080
world talk about seeing these objects

819
00:28:59,029 --> 00:28:57,120
80 000 feet moving up and down doing

820
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:59,039
just real things that we could you know

821
00:29:02,230 --> 00:29:00,480
it was bugging him and when he went into

822
00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:02,240
one of these rooms with the officers to

823
00:29:06,630 --> 00:29:04,480
talk about it they were quiet

824
00:29:08,470 --> 00:29:06,640
he he knew they knew about it too

825
00:29:09,269 --> 00:29:08,480
and he said we have to you know launch

826
00:29:12,310 --> 00:29:09,279
some

827
00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:12,320
plane so so dave fraver and dietz go out

828
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:14,240
and then you have the chad underwood

829
00:29:18,149 --> 00:29:16,080
flight which got the fleur video and so

830
00:29:20,070 --> 00:29:18,159
forth

831
00:29:22,789 --> 00:29:20,080
we also had jason turner come forward

832
00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:22,799
who's uh from the nimitz who said he saw

833
00:29:27,350 --> 00:29:24,960
the video playing on repeat in one of

834
00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:27,360
these munitions areas he was a person

835
00:29:32,950 --> 00:29:31,200
that did uh stockpiling and so forth and

836
00:29:34,470 --> 00:29:32,960
delivered materials within the craft he

837
00:29:36,789 --> 00:29:34,480
had a security clearance and he said he

838
00:29:38,710 --> 00:29:36,799
saw a 10 minute video of the tic tac we

839
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:38,720
had pj hughes

840
00:29:43,430 --> 00:29:40,559
who gave us testimony and he came back

841
00:29:45,269 --> 00:29:43,440
later with me to do a second interview

842
00:29:47,830 --> 00:29:45,279
on youtube which you can watch

843
00:29:49,350 --> 00:29:47,840
that uh he was responsible for taking

844
00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:49,360
out the bricks as you call it the hard

845
00:29:53,029 --> 00:29:50,799
disks from

846
00:29:54,870 --> 00:29:53,039
the e2 hawkeye

847
00:29:56,870 --> 00:29:54,880
plane that is kind of their eye in the

848
00:29:58,870 --> 00:29:56,880
sky this huge radar

849
00:30:01,029 --> 00:29:58,880
platform that flies around carrier

850
00:30:02,389 --> 00:30:01,039
groups and he said within half an hour

851
00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:02,399
of him taking the bricks out locking

852
00:30:05,669 --> 00:30:04,480
them in the safe takes two people to get

853
00:30:08,070 --> 00:30:05,679
it out again

854
00:30:10,789 --> 00:30:08,080
uh air force personnel showed up and

855
00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:10,799
demanded all the data how about that

856
00:30:15,269 --> 00:30:12,960
so the data was erased from the tic tac

857
00:30:17,269 --> 00:30:15,279
encounters according to hughes and gary

858
00:30:19,430 --> 00:30:17,279
voorhees who was also in the princeton

859
00:30:21,750 --> 00:30:19,440
so we had four witnesses come forward so

860
00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:21,760
all of a sudden the nimitz encounters go

861
00:30:26,310 --> 00:30:23,919
from being a hidden event which i'd say

862
00:30:28,389 --> 00:30:26,320
most of us didn't hear about until 2019

863
00:30:31,510 --> 00:30:28,399
around something like that i guess the

864
00:30:33,990 --> 00:30:31,520
new york times didn't mention it in 2017

865
00:30:36,870 --> 00:30:34,000
uh but i mean that's like uh 13 years

866
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:36,880
later so think about it

867
00:30:40,389 --> 00:30:38,640
then they all came forward this is from

868
00:30:43,029 --> 00:30:40,399
the ufo megacon and they told their

869
00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:43,039
story they did radio interviews

870
00:30:48,149 --> 00:30:45,840
but i asked pj in the second interview

871
00:30:50,789 --> 00:30:48,159
the guy sitting at the far right well

872
00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:50,799
how many other witnesses were there

873
00:30:55,750 --> 00:30:54,240
uh and uh jason i think was

874
00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:55,760
on the live stream he said there must be

875
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:58,080
at least a thousand or more people

876
00:31:01,669 --> 00:31:00,480
from the nimitz princeton ships and the

877
00:31:03,750 --> 00:31:01,679
whole chiro group that knew about this

878
00:31:04,870 --> 00:31:03,760
that still haven't come forward

879
00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:04,880
so this is what we're talking about

880
00:31:08,710 --> 00:31:06,960
ratios of hundreds to one for every

881
00:31:10,149 --> 00:31:08,720
witness coming forward we have hundreds

882
00:31:11,190 --> 00:31:10,159
who haven't

883
00:31:13,110 --> 00:31:11,200
now

884
00:31:15,110 --> 00:31:13,120
this goes back to someone that started

885
00:31:17,350 --> 00:31:15,120
all our investigations into this jacques

886
00:31:19,430 --> 00:31:17,360
valet when he worked with jay alan hein

887
00:31:21,750 --> 00:31:19,440
to get project blue book

888
00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:21,760
uh he said what motivated him and i just

889
00:31:26,070 --> 00:31:24,000
found this out recently was in 1955

890
00:31:27,669 --> 00:31:26,080
working for a french space agency they

891
00:31:30,710 --> 00:31:27,679
detected something coming into the

892
00:31:32,230 --> 00:31:30,720
earth's atmosphere and one of his higher

893
00:31:34,630 --> 00:31:32,240
uh

894
00:31:36,070 --> 00:31:34,640
a person higher in the office who who

895
00:31:37,350 --> 00:31:36,080
was higher status and then told them to

896
00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:37,360
erase the tape

897
00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:39,440
so this sort of issue of

898
00:31:45,110 --> 00:31:42,880
erasing the data from these phenomena

899
00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:45,120
goes back to the 50s so we've got folks

900
00:31:49,350 --> 00:31:47,840
we've all lost decades of lost data

901
00:31:51,430 --> 00:31:49,360
which is probably why you might be a

902
00:31:53,350 --> 00:31:51,440
little confused about the subject maybe

903
00:31:54,549 --> 00:31:53,360
like me you saw one or you know people

904
00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:54,559
have seen them

905
00:31:57,990 --> 00:31:57,200
but the mainstream hasn't talked about

906
00:31:58,870 --> 00:31:58,000
it

907
00:32:01,029 --> 00:31:58,880
uh

908
00:32:03,830 --> 00:32:01,039
for these reasons

909
00:32:06,070 --> 00:32:03,840
now fravor came forward and started had

910
00:32:07,909 --> 00:32:06,080
no problem talking about this the first

911
00:32:09,509 --> 00:32:07,919
person to see that who kind of you've

912
00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:09,519
seen his description of kind of getting

913
00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:11,760
in this dog fight with the tic tac and

914
00:32:15,029 --> 00:32:13,440
he could you know i said just went right

915
00:32:17,909 --> 00:32:15,039
off his screen

916
00:32:19,590 --> 00:32:17,919
but there were other pilots including

917
00:32:21,190 --> 00:32:19,600
alex and dietrich now she didn't come

918
00:32:22,470 --> 00:32:21,200
forward till a couple weeks ago with the

919
00:32:24,789 --> 00:32:22,480
60 minutes

920
00:32:27,509 --> 00:32:24,799
interview right which you may have seen

921
00:32:31,110 --> 00:32:27,519
she was in the second plane

922
00:32:33,110 --> 00:32:31,120
uh they fly in pairs the f-18s and she's

923
00:32:35,509 --> 00:32:33,120
gone she's just very public about this

924
00:32:36,870 --> 00:32:35,519
now so it really flipped from we tried

925
00:32:38,070 --> 00:32:36,880
to find out about her and we were told

926
00:32:40,230 --> 00:32:38,080
she didn't want to come forward she was

927
00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:40,240
still teaching at a naval academy even

928
00:32:43,990 --> 00:32:42,240
though some of us uh we knew her name

929
00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:44,000
because it had been unintentionally

930
00:32:47,669 --> 00:32:45,600
released on a document which i'll show

931
00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:47,679
you in a second but all of a sudden she

932
00:32:50,549 --> 00:32:48,960
came forward so how many other witnesses

933
00:32:52,070 --> 00:32:50,559
will come forward it's very interesting

934
00:32:54,310 --> 00:32:52,080
if you want to see more about this i

935
00:32:57,029 --> 00:32:54,320
recommend the animated

936
00:32:59,029 --> 00:32:57,039
movie made by dave beatty the nimitz

937
00:33:00,630 --> 00:32:59,039
encounters you can see it on youtube and

938
00:33:02,710 --> 00:33:00,640
it goes through the whole set of

939
00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:02,720
incidents around this and now we find

940
00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:04,320
other militaries are coming forward and

941
00:33:07,909 --> 00:33:05,840
talking about it so

942
00:33:10,389 --> 00:33:07,919
at some point you reach a critical mass

943
00:33:12,230 --> 00:33:10,399
just like ron westrom talked about with

944
00:33:13,509 --> 00:33:12,240
a subject like child abuse where changes

945
00:33:15,590 --> 00:33:13,519
from being a hidden event also and

946
00:33:17,110 --> 00:33:15,600
everyone's talking about it we hear from

947
00:33:19,830 --> 00:33:17,120
new witnesses

948
00:33:21,909 --> 00:33:19,840
another person that investigated related

949
00:33:23,590 --> 00:33:21,919
phenomena was bud hopkins who i was

950
00:33:26,149 --> 00:33:23,600
fortunate to hear lecture a few times

951
00:33:28,389 --> 00:33:26,159
and he looked at abductions literally

952
00:33:31,269 --> 00:33:28,399
people being taken aboard

953
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:31,279
these craft we haven't heard much about

954
00:33:35,990 --> 00:33:34,080
this so far in the media or from any of

955
00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:36,000
the military witnesses i don't think it

956
00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:38,000
happened to them with the tic tacs by

957
00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:39,840
the way you're aware that there were

958
00:33:44,230 --> 00:33:41,760
other incidents off the east coast in

959
00:33:46,630 --> 00:33:44,240
2015 from the uss roosevelt and now

960
00:33:48,870 --> 00:33:46,640
we're hearing other aircraft groups just

961
00:33:51,509 --> 00:33:48,880
in the past couple years uh the the east

962
00:33:53,669 --> 00:33:51,519
coast pilots described objects being up

963
00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:53,679
there every single day they went on

964
00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:55,919
their flight training exercises for two

965
00:34:00,149 --> 00:33:57,840
years

966
00:34:01,350 --> 00:34:00,159
staying there day after day that had

967
00:34:03,350 --> 00:34:01,360
flight characteristics they couldn't

968
00:34:04,950 --> 00:34:03,360
catch up with them right off the east

969
00:34:07,029 --> 00:34:04,960
coast

970
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:07,039
not very far from washington dc this is

971
00:34:11,589 --> 00:34:09,119
sort of what got all this going is the

972
00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:11,599
navy pilots said we're sick of this

973
00:34:15,990 --> 00:34:13,919
we're filing reports so it took some

974
00:34:18,069 --> 00:34:16,000
action just from a few brave individuals

975
00:34:19,349 --> 00:34:18,079
to come forward abductions though are a

976
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:19,359
little more challenging this is

977
00:34:22,069 --> 00:34:20,399
something where you feel like you've

978
00:34:23,669 --> 00:34:22,079
been taken aboard a craft you have

979
00:34:26,149 --> 00:34:23,679
missing time

980
00:34:27,909 --> 00:34:26,159
other inexplicable encounters maybe you

981
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:27,919
felt things have come into your house at

982
00:34:30,550 --> 00:34:28,800
night

983
00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:30,560
uh right through the walls you know they

984
00:34:33,909 --> 00:34:31,919
don't open the doors

985
00:34:36,950 --> 00:34:33,919
we've had the travis walton case where

986
00:34:39,990 --> 00:34:36,960
travis and five other loggers

987
00:34:41,589 --> 00:34:40,000
apache sit greaves national forest

988
00:34:43,829 --> 00:34:41,599
1975.

989
00:34:46,230 --> 00:34:43,839
travis goes missing for five days

990
00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:46,240
uh and uh

991
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:48,000
the other guys describe you know him

992
00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:49,919
being taken up and no one believed them

993
00:34:54,310 --> 00:34:51,599
until he's found five days later on a

994
00:34:55,829 --> 00:34:54,320
highway uh out of town and he describes

995
00:34:57,510 --> 00:34:55,839
what he experienced which was the same

996
00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:57,520
thing you know he got too close he got

997
00:35:01,030 --> 00:34:59,040
went out and looked at this crap they

998
00:35:03,030 --> 00:35:01,040
were they saw lights in the forest and

999
00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:03,040
they were just going home but he travis

1000
00:35:07,270 --> 00:35:04,880
went out foolishly got close to the

1001
00:35:10,950 --> 00:35:07,280
crack also he gets injured and when they

1002
00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:10,960
go back he's gone and travis described

1003
00:35:14,550 --> 00:35:12,560
seemingly extraterrestrials plus

1004
00:35:15,829 --> 00:35:14,560
human-looking entities on the ship and

1005
00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:15,839
they were friendly to him they tried to

1006
00:35:19,190 --> 00:35:16,960
heal him it's not like you saw in the

1007
00:35:20,790 --> 00:35:19,200
movie and eventually they just

1008
00:35:21,910 --> 00:35:20,800
let him go again after they felt he was

1009
00:35:24,310 --> 00:35:21,920
healed

1010
00:35:26,230 --> 00:35:24,320
uh we had initially been betting barney

1011
00:35:28,870 --> 00:35:26,240
hill from 1961

1012
00:35:31,829 --> 00:35:28,880
uh who uh

1013
00:35:33,990 --> 00:35:31,839
was uh you know stanton friedman and

1014
00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:34,000
betty's niece kathleen martin have done

1015
00:35:38,710 --> 00:35:35,920
a very good job describing this case

1016
00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:38,720
where they had missing time but

1017
00:35:42,310 --> 00:35:40,480
they were hypnotized by a very

1018
00:35:45,829 --> 00:35:42,320
experienced hypnotist that worked with

1019
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:45,839
world war ii veterans who had ptsd and

1020
00:35:49,510 --> 00:35:47,520
he found them extremely convincing he

1021
00:35:51,990 --> 00:35:49,520
had worked with hundreds of of

1022
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:52,000
people with hypnosis with world war ii

1023
00:35:55,270 --> 00:35:53,040
veterans

1024
00:35:56,950 --> 00:35:55,280
and betty described seeing star charts

1025
00:35:58,790 --> 00:35:56,960
which weren't known by astronomers at

1026
00:36:00,870 --> 00:35:58,800
the time there were strange chemical

1027
00:36:02,230 --> 00:36:00,880
marks on her dress and

1028
00:36:03,510 --> 00:36:02,240
you you can read more about that but

1029
00:36:04,950 --> 00:36:03,520
this is one of the initial cases that

1030
00:36:07,510 --> 00:36:04,960
got it going but how do you talk about

1031
00:36:09,030 --> 00:36:07,520
this do you just talk about this at the

1032
00:36:10,550 --> 00:36:09,040
next party you go to did you talk about

1033
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:10,560
this to your neighbors i can tell you

1034
00:36:14,550 --> 00:36:12,640
even personally having talked about the

1035
00:36:16,150 --> 00:36:14,560
ufo i saw with my mom in the everglades

1036
00:36:17,510 --> 00:36:16,160
you would get people

1037
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:17,520
uh

1038
00:36:20,470 --> 00:36:18,720
you know

1039
00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:20,480
treating you in a sort of disrespectful

1040
00:36:23,430 --> 00:36:21,520
manner you all know what i'm talking

1041
00:36:27,109 --> 00:36:23,440
about it's not easy to talk about things

1042
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:27,119
which society doesn't accept and at some

1043
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:29,280
point you may just stop talking about it

1044
00:36:32,470 --> 00:36:30,480
i didn't do that

1045
00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:32,480
as you can see and we're all having a

1046
00:36:35,430 --> 00:36:34,160
good time i suggest you don't stop

1047
00:36:37,270 --> 00:36:35,440
talking about it either but you can

1048
00:36:38,550 --> 00:36:37,280
understand what it's like to have

1049
00:36:39,910 --> 00:36:38,560
experienced something where no one

1050
00:36:42,390 --> 00:36:39,920
believes you and then you're accused of

1051
00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:42,400
being crazy or having oh

1052
00:36:45,349 --> 00:36:43,920
this we've had

1053
00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:45,359
very interesting talks today but you

1054
00:36:50,230 --> 00:36:48,079
know the dsm manuals until recently i

1055
00:36:52,390 --> 00:36:50,240
don't know if it's still in dsm-5

1056
00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:52,400
diagnostic and statistical manuals that

1057
00:36:57,670 --> 00:36:54,720
psychologists psychiatrists

1058
00:37:00,310 --> 00:36:57,680
had belief in ufos as one of the

1059
00:37:01,430 --> 00:37:00,320
traits that was part of schizotypal

1060
00:37:03,670 --> 00:37:01,440
disorder

1061
00:37:05,750 --> 00:37:03,680
this would be thrown at witnesses it was

1062
00:37:07,829 --> 00:37:05,760
a schizotypal kind of part of the

1063
00:37:09,589 --> 00:37:07,839
spectrum of schizophrenic disorders

1064
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:09,599
which we heard this morning is about one

1065
00:37:13,349 --> 00:37:11,760
percent of the population

1066
00:37:14,790 --> 00:37:13,359
do you think pilots when they come up

1067
00:37:16,470 --> 00:37:14,800
for their promotion in the navy want to

1068
00:37:18,150 --> 00:37:16,480
be accused of having a schizotypal

1069
00:37:20,390 --> 00:37:18,160
disorder this is why pilots haven't come

1070
00:37:21,990 --> 00:37:20,400
forward i know many uh and i wrote about

1071
00:37:23,109 --> 00:37:22,000
some of them in my book black swan goes

1072
00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:23,119
but

1073
00:37:25,349 --> 00:37:24,320
you can talk to people who've

1074
00:37:27,990 --> 00:37:25,359
experienced this they won't talk about

1075
00:37:28,870 --> 00:37:28,000
it a recent person i talked to

1076
00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:28,880
uh

1077
00:37:32,390 --> 00:37:30,240
terry lovelace

1078
00:37:34,870 --> 00:37:32,400
air force veteran goes camping with a

1079
00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:34,880
buddy in devil's state state park

1080
00:37:39,510 --> 00:37:37,680
arkansas they are taken aboard a

1081
00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:39,520
triangular craft

1082
00:37:41,829 --> 00:37:40,320
uh

1083
00:37:44,150 --> 00:37:41,839
they have missing time they have

1084
00:37:45,910 --> 00:37:44,160
injuries and when they get back the air

1085
00:37:47,750 --> 00:37:45,920
force somehow seems to know all about it

1086
00:37:49,910 --> 00:37:47,760
and they're told you will not talk about

1087
00:37:51,750 --> 00:37:49,920
this again and terry lovelace former

1088
00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:51,760
federal prosecutor now after the air

1089
00:37:56,470 --> 00:37:54,400
force attorney and then uh worked for

1090
00:37:57,750 --> 00:37:56,480
the department of justice he had no

1091
00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:57,760
problem coming forward it takes people

1092
00:38:00,630 --> 00:37:58,800
like him

1093
00:38:02,310 --> 00:38:00,640
you can see his interviews too on my

1094
00:38:03,910 --> 00:38:02,320
youtube channel but i mean it takes no

1095
00:38:05,349 --> 00:38:03,920
problem once you have people like him

1096
00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:05,359
coming forward

1097
00:38:09,510 --> 00:38:07,760
to say no this is real it happened to me

1098
00:38:13,829 --> 00:38:09,520
so

1099
00:38:14,710 --> 00:38:13,839
uh having to do with a triangular craft

1100
00:38:16,870 --> 00:38:14,720
um

1101
00:38:18,550 --> 00:38:16,880
but again it takes people coming forward

1102
00:38:20,790 --> 00:38:18,560
and it takes a change of policy hudson

1103
00:38:22,470 --> 00:38:20,800
valley ufo sightings thousands of people

1104
00:38:24,390 --> 00:38:22,480
saw this in the hudson valley areas from

1105
00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:24,400
the 1970s

1106
00:38:28,069 --> 00:38:26,400
through the 80s i've i've talked to

1107
00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:28,079
witnesses about this i'm going to talk

1108
00:38:31,829 --> 00:38:30,000
to another one soon that saw this huge

1109
00:38:34,150 --> 00:38:31,839
craft come over make flat turns and

1110
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:34,160
things that our aircraft can't do you

1111
00:38:38,950 --> 00:38:36,000
know seemingly anti-gravity or something

1112
00:38:40,870 --> 00:38:38,960
like this so the uap task force came out

1113
00:38:43,270 --> 00:38:40,880
just on june 25th and they mentioned

1114
00:38:45,109 --> 00:38:43,280
sociocultural stigmas as barriers to

1115
00:38:46,550 --> 00:38:45,119
information flow this is the senate

1116
00:38:47,750 --> 00:38:46,560
intelligence committee ordered the

1117
00:38:49,030 --> 00:38:47,760
pentagon

1118
00:38:50,550 --> 00:38:49,040
and the

1119
00:38:53,430 --> 00:38:50,560
director of national intelligence to

1120
00:38:55,109 --> 00:38:53,440
release a report on what they call uaps

1121
00:38:56,710 --> 00:38:55,119
because the things have been going on

1122
00:38:59,510 --> 00:38:56,720
behind the scenes from the nimitz

1123
00:39:00,790 --> 00:38:59,520
incidents and others in the senate said

1124
00:39:01,750 --> 00:39:00,800
what is going on here what's in our

1125
00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:01,760
airspace

1126
00:39:06,230 --> 00:39:04,240
navy air force i would guess the air

1127
00:39:08,230 --> 00:39:06,240
force had been pretty silent here uh the

1128
00:39:09,030 --> 00:39:08,240
navy said we don't know and the senate

1129
00:39:10,150 --> 00:39:09,040
said what do you mean you don't know

1130
00:39:12,390 --> 00:39:10,160
there's all these objects in our

1131
00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:12,400
airspace and they say we don't so

1132
00:39:15,589 --> 00:39:13,680
that's why we're finding out more about

1133
00:39:17,670 --> 00:39:15,599
it now sociocultural studies absolutely

1134
00:39:19,430 --> 00:39:17,680
right it just uh if you know people

1135
00:39:20,710 --> 00:39:19,440
who've been in the military you know how

1136
00:39:22,470 --> 00:39:20,720
uh

1137
00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:22,480
your your record matters so much when

1138
00:39:25,750 --> 00:39:23,839
promotion time comes and these things

1139
00:39:28,870 --> 00:39:25,760
could interfere with it we've had luis

1140
00:39:29,670 --> 00:39:28,880
elizondo and chris mellon come forward

1141
00:39:31,349 --> 00:39:29,680
uh

1142
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:31,359
both retired

1143
00:39:35,349 --> 00:39:34,320
uh dod employees high level employees

1144
00:39:37,829 --> 00:39:35,359
actually

1145
00:39:39,430 --> 00:39:37,839
uh chris mellon was right under the

1146
00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:39,440
secretary of defense in one of those

1147
00:39:42,630 --> 00:39:40,560
offices

1148
00:39:44,630 --> 00:39:42,640
one of the slides leaked from his

1149
00:39:46,870 --> 00:39:44,640
computer that he was going to present at

1150
00:39:48,390 --> 00:39:46,880
one of these classified briefings for

1151
00:39:50,710 --> 00:39:48,400
the congress or senate they've been

1152
00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:50,720
briefing them about these topics folks

1153
00:39:54,390 --> 00:39:52,640
for a couple of years now

1154
00:39:56,310 --> 00:39:54,400
slide nine was one of them that we were

1155
00:39:57,510 --> 00:39:56,320
really interested in it has to do with

1156
00:40:00,390 --> 00:39:57,520
what we were talking about today in

1157
00:40:01,910 --> 00:40:00,400
these other uh talks here on this

1158
00:40:03,829 --> 00:40:01,920
education day

1159
00:40:06,790 --> 00:40:03,839
look at some of the characteristics of

1160
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:06,800
these uaps cognitive human interfaces

1161
00:40:11,109 --> 00:40:09,119
that mean some sort of telepathy or

1162
00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:11,119
thoughts being projected into your mind

1163
00:40:15,990 --> 00:40:13,440
penetration of solid surfaces

1164
00:40:18,309 --> 00:40:16,000
instantaneous sensor disassembly

1165
00:40:19,990 --> 00:40:18,319
anomalies in the space-time construct

1166
00:40:21,750 --> 00:40:20,000
now when i read that i thought back to a

1167
00:40:23,510 --> 00:40:21,760
conversation i had with jack valet once

1168
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:23,520
at one of the irva the remote viewing

1169
00:40:27,510 --> 00:40:26,160
association meetings in las vegas

1170
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:27,520
jacques said to me you know what's not

1171
00:40:32,230 --> 00:40:29,680
being reported here in all these ufo

1172
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:32,240
cases you're hearing about simeon

1173
00:40:36,790 --> 00:40:34,560
people have precognitive experiences

1174
00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:36,800
before the ufo encounter

1175
00:40:40,870 --> 00:40:38,480
and then afterwards they feel like they

1176
00:40:42,950 --> 00:40:40,880
have abilities some of the experiencers

1177
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:42,960
they didn't have before do you hear much

1178
00:40:47,190 --> 00:40:44,880
conversation about that but here it's in

1179
00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:47,200
a document from a former

1180
00:40:51,109 --> 00:40:49,200
department of defense official that we

1181
00:40:52,790 --> 00:40:51,119
know was destined this is not classified

1182
00:40:55,349 --> 00:40:52,800
by the way we ask chris melon it's okay

1183
00:40:58,309 --> 00:40:55,359
to show this but this was taken from his

1184
00:41:00,309 --> 00:40:58,319
computer by accident he left his uh he

1185
00:41:01,990 --> 00:41:00,319
put ahead of doesn't blog this was for

1186
00:41:03,670 --> 00:41:02,000
one of the congressional briefings

1187
00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:03,680
anomalies and space time construct what

1188
00:41:07,750 --> 00:41:06,480
does that say to you time slips and all

1189
00:41:09,990 --> 00:41:07,760
these other things and these are the

1190
00:41:12,069 --> 00:41:10,000
folks that investigated skinwalker ranch

1191
00:41:14,550 --> 00:41:12,079
by the way now we're told that there's a

1192
00:41:16,069 --> 00:41:14,560
23-minute video of a triangular craft

1193
00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:16,079
coming out of the ocean this is an

1194
00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:18,160
artist rendition based it hasn't been

1195
00:41:21,910 --> 00:41:20,720
declassified yet but someone we know did

1196
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:21,920
see it and this looks something like

1197
00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:23,520
this okay

1198
00:41:26,630 --> 00:41:25,440
so what i'm saying to you folks is

1199
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:26,640
there's a lot of evidence to come out

1200
00:41:30,790 --> 00:41:27,599
here

1201
00:41:32,630 --> 00:41:30,800
and science can push aside evidence

1202
00:41:34,630 --> 00:41:32,640
in favor of tradition common sense

1203
00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:34,640
national security concerns but then we

1204
00:41:38,470 --> 00:41:36,240
lose information have incomplete

1205
00:41:40,150 --> 00:41:38,480
knowledge and we can't really study it

1206
00:41:42,069 --> 00:41:40,160
scientifically we just don't have enough

1207
00:41:44,230 --> 00:41:42,079
data there's just too much bias we've

1208
00:41:45,670 --> 00:41:44,240
only heard a tiny percentage of all the

1209
00:41:47,349 --> 00:41:45,680
stories and at least now the us

1210
00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:47,359
government agrees because this is why

1211
00:41:50,550 --> 00:41:48,960
they're doing these briefings we're told

1212
00:41:52,309 --> 00:41:50,560
there might even be congressional open

1213
00:41:54,150 --> 00:41:52,319
congressional public hearings on ufos

1214
00:41:56,309 --> 00:41:54,160
which i think is it's overdue and it's

1215
00:41:58,230 --> 00:41:56,319
important so we find out who else is

1216
00:42:00,069 --> 00:41:58,240
here i mean it's important it has big

1217
00:42:03,349 --> 00:42:00,079
scientific implications it has national

1218
00:42:05,750 --> 00:42:03,359
security implications too but

1219
00:42:07,510 --> 00:42:05,760
uh it also creates national insecurity

1220
00:42:09,430 --> 00:42:07,520
if too many people experience something

1221
00:42:10,950 --> 00:42:09,440
which they won't talk about and they

1222
00:42:12,630 --> 00:42:10,960
only will talk about after they've had a

1223
00:42:13,829 --> 00:42:12,640
few beers at a conference i've

1224
00:42:15,750 --> 00:42:13,839
experienced and then they won't talk

1225
00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:15,760
about it again we can't we can't have

1226
00:42:19,990 --> 00:42:16,400
that

1227
00:42:23,349 --> 00:42:20,000
so i'll at the on july 29th as part of

1228
00:42:26,230 --> 00:42:23,359
this conference i will be talking

1229
00:42:28,710 --> 00:42:26,240
about phenomena related to this

1230
00:42:30,790 --> 00:42:28,720
why do we see certain phenomena over and

1231
00:42:33,990 --> 00:42:30,800
over again around paranormal phenomena

1232
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:34,000
the space-time anomalies the balls of

1233
00:42:38,069 --> 00:42:36,480
light which i came in contact with

1234
00:42:40,630 --> 00:42:38,079
around crop circles

1235
00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:40,640
why do we see them there

1236
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:43,680
why do we get some of these

1237
00:42:48,550 --> 00:42:46,400
anomalies not only around ufos which is

1238
00:42:50,069 --> 00:42:48,560
extensive and well documented by nycap

1239
00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:50,079
and other organizations but we get them

1240
00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:51,920
around crop circles

1241
00:42:55,510 --> 00:42:54,000
strange magnetic anomalies around crop

1242
00:42:57,349 --> 00:42:55,520
circles

1243
00:42:59,670 --> 00:42:57,359
knocks out your cameras and batteries

1244
00:43:02,309 --> 00:42:59,680
just like uh has happened around ufo

1245
00:43:05,349 --> 00:43:02,319
encounters for a long time

1246
00:43:07,430 --> 00:43:05,359
happens around cold fusion coherent

1247
00:43:09,270 --> 00:43:07,440
matter this will be getting into

1248
00:43:10,950 --> 00:43:09,280
now it's called linear low energy

1249
00:43:12,630 --> 00:43:10,960
nuclear reaction this has been known

1250
00:43:14,309 --> 00:43:12,640
since the 50s but we haven't talked

1251
00:43:17,190 --> 00:43:14,319
about it we've even dissuaded people

1252
00:43:18,069 --> 00:43:17,200
we've called it junk science hardly

1253
00:43:20,390 --> 00:43:18,079
and

1254
00:43:22,870 --> 00:43:20,400
even bigfoot sightings

1255
00:43:25,589 --> 00:43:22,880
people report cameras and batteries the

1256
00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:25,599
photo on the right is just oven person

1257
00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:27,359
heard this behind the cabin took that

1258
00:43:30,790 --> 00:43:28,800
picture she didn't see it but that's

1259
00:43:32,230 --> 00:43:30,800
what we saw in the picture her camera

1260
00:43:33,990 --> 00:43:32,240
died

1261
00:43:36,550 --> 00:43:34,000
people are parked there report their car

1262
00:43:38,230 --> 00:43:36,560
car stalling balls of light so i'm gonna

1263
00:43:39,270 --> 00:43:38,240
suggest that some of these phenomena are

1264
00:43:41,750 --> 00:43:39,280
connected and that's what i'll talk

1265
00:43:43,109 --> 00:43:41,760
about on july

1266
00:43:44,630 --> 00:43:43,119
29th

1267
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:44,640
so that's my presentation folks thanks

1268
00:44:04,790 --> 00:43:46,720
very much for listening and i'm happy to

1269
00:44:07,990 --> 00:44:06,069
hello

1270
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:08,000
wait a second

1271
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:21,990
i am not

1272
00:44:27,270 --> 00:44:24,309
mark uh we can hear you so maybe you can

1273
00:44:30,470 --> 00:44:27,280
refresh your browser

1274
00:44:36,230 --> 00:44:34,230
uh okay so uh hey guys hi hi simon that

1275
00:44:37,589 --> 00:44:36,240
was a wonderful presentation oh thank

1276
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:37,599
you

1277
00:44:42,550 --> 00:44:39,839
um

1278
00:44:44,069 --> 00:44:42,560
while mark returns let's just uh

1279
00:44:45,270 --> 00:44:44,079
take a look to the questions that have

1280
00:44:48,069 --> 00:44:45,280
been

1281
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:48,079
sure

1282
00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:50,400
so

1283
00:44:58,150 --> 00:44:55,200
guestimate make an estimation of your

1284
00:44:59,349 --> 00:44:58,160
guesses what percentage of ufos or

1285
00:45:01,109 --> 00:44:59,359
uaps

1286
00:45:02,470 --> 00:45:01,119
uh reports that you think would have a

1287
00:45:05,190 --> 00:45:02,480
normal explanation if they were

1288
00:45:06,950 --> 00:45:05,200
investigated

1289
00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:06,960
oh it's probably the majority i would

1290
00:45:09,030 --> 00:45:08,079
imagine

1291
00:45:10,550 --> 00:45:09,040
um

1292
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:10,560
but you know there's thousands and

1293
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:12,480
thousands of these sightings so that

1294
00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:15,839
even even if you push it to 95 percent

1295
00:45:20,710 --> 00:45:17,599
having

1296
00:45:22,069 --> 00:45:20,720
some sort of conventional explanation

1297
00:45:24,309 --> 00:45:22,079
and i'm not talking about from the

1298
00:45:27,190 --> 00:45:24,319
military i i think that changes it their

1299
00:45:29,349 --> 00:45:27,200
sensor systems are so advanced now there

1300
00:45:32,710 --> 00:45:29,359
are so many sensor platforms that are

1301
00:45:35,030 --> 00:45:32,720
picking up these uap ufos that i would

1302
00:45:38,470 --> 00:45:35,040
say the percentage of those that have a

1303
00:45:40,710 --> 00:45:38,480
conventional explanation is rather small

1304
00:45:43,109 --> 00:45:40,720
because this has come forward recently

1305
00:45:46,069 --> 00:45:43,119
but i mean if you look at what we see as

1306
00:45:48,950 --> 00:45:46,079
the public lights in the sky so forth

1307
00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:48,960
you know a lot of those do have

1308
00:45:53,589 --> 00:45:51,920
a conventional explanation but again

1309
00:45:54,870 --> 00:45:53,599
here's the thing going back to you know

1310
00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:54,880
the lecture that you just heard we

1311
00:45:59,430 --> 00:45:56,800
really don't know the i mean you've

1312
00:46:00,550 --> 00:45:59,440
heard it estimated at 95 having some

1313
00:46:01,750 --> 00:46:00,560
conventional explanation how do we

1314
00:46:04,150 --> 00:46:01,760
really know

1315
00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:04,160
in the absence of a large data set we

1316
00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:05,520
can't really tell

1317
00:46:09,589 --> 00:46:07,920
uh it's simply too biased because we

1318
00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:09,599
don't have enough witnesses coming

1319
00:46:13,510 --> 00:46:11,760
forward and maybe

1320
00:46:15,190 --> 00:46:13,520
the witnesses that are coming forward

1321
00:46:17,109 --> 00:46:15,200
are the ones with the more conventional

1322
00:46:19,270 --> 00:46:17,119
explanations do you see how bias works

1323
00:46:21,510 --> 00:46:19,280
in statistics so the whole thing is so

1324
00:46:24,390 --> 00:46:21,520
biased we i would say

1325
00:46:26,829 --> 00:46:24,400
we really don't know unless until we

1326
00:46:29,670 --> 00:46:26,839
have a real

1327
00:46:31,829 --> 00:46:29,680
seriously watertight data set where

1328
00:46:33,430 --> 00:46:31,839
people are not afraid to come forward

1329
00:46:35,109 --> 00:46:33,440
here's another thing that jack valet

1330
00:46:36,470 --> 00:46:35,119
said to me in that little conversation

1331
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:36,480
that i mentioned

1332
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:38,560
he said the stranger the encounter the

1333
00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:40,560
less likely the person the witnesses to

1334
00:46:44,150 --> 00:46:41,760
report it

1335
00:46:46,470 --> 00:46:44,160
what does that do to your statistics

1336
00:46:48,550 --> 00:46:46,480
if the stranger the encounter the less

1337
00:46:50,630 --> 00:46:48,560
likely it is to ever get reported to any

1338
00:46:52,950 --> 00:46:50,640
project blue book or any

1339
00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:52,960
study that's being done by anybody so i

1340
00:46:56,230 --> 00:46:54,240
just think there's just too much missing

1341
00:46:57,589 --> 00:46:56,240
data to really know the answer to that

1342
00:46:59,109 --> 00:46:57,599
question even in

1343
00:47:00,870 --> 00:46:59,119
from public sighting

1344
00:47:03,270 --> 00:47:00,880
thanks a lot simon and i think mark has

1345
00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:03,280
returned with his audio so i'll leave

1346
00:47:08,069 --> 00:47:06,000
the floor to you guys

1347
00:47:09,829 --> 00:47:08,079
hi can you hear me yes thanks thanks

1348
00:47:11,510 --> 00:47:09,839
mark excellent there we go well first of

1349
00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:11,520
all thank you so much for an amazing

1350
00:47:17,270 --> 00:47:13,760
presentation oh you're welcome thank you

1351
00:47:18,069 --> 00:47:17,280
and this is an this is a fantastic area

1352
00:47:19,750 --> 00:47:18,079
where

1353
00:47:21,990 --> 00:47:19,760
even in the years since you gave your

1354
00:47:24,710 --> 00:47:22,000
presentation we have things to talk

1355
00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:24,720
about so i know we we need to cover that

1356
00:47:29,910 --> 00:47:26,960
what i will say on a personal level

1357
00:47:31,510 --> 00:47:29,920
is just to demonstrate your whole point

1358
00:47:33,750 --> 00:47:31,520
of the presentation

1359
00:47:35,829 --> 00:47:33,760
i got excited yesterday looking through

1360
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:35,839
my new york times brief and i saw

1361
00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:38,400
something an article that said

1362
00:47:45,670 --> 00:47:41,040
nasa to fund ufo studies and i thought

1363
00:47:47,990 --> 00:47:45,680
oh how exciting the first sentence

1364
00:47:51,030 --> 00:47:48,000
was well obviously this is not a real

1365
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:51,040
phenomena but and i thought

1366
00:47:54,549 --> 00:47:52,480
i wanna

1367
00:47:56,950 --> 00:47:54,559
okay i'll be quiet but yes i was like

1368
00:47:59,349 --> 00:47:56,960
well demonstration right there

1369
00:48:02,710 --> 00:47:59,359
absolutely demonstrated

1370
00:48:04,309 --> 00:48:02,720
how ingrained that viewpoint is

1371
00:48:06,150 --> 00:48:04,319
nothing to see

1372
00:48:07,829 --> 00:48:06,160
and and my personal opinion i'm really

1373
00:48:09,670 --> 00:48:07,839
interested this congressional hearing

1374
00:48:11,829 --> 00:48:09,680
they just had

1375
00:48:12,870 --> 00:48:11,839
i i just it's like they brought all the

1376
00:48:14,710 --> 00:48:12,880
evidence

1377
00:48:17,270 --> 00:48:14,720
that didn't prove that literally

1378
00:48:19,430 --> 00:48:17,280
disproved it made it look like

1379
00:48:21,109 --> 00:48:19,440
that it was not a real phenomena

1380
00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:21,119
and then i mean it was just like the

1381
00:48:26,309 --> 00:48:24,000
keystone cops almost like are you

1382
00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:26,319
kidding me it made the content report

1383
00:48:30,870 --> 00:48:28,079
look like it was the best proof you've

1384
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:30,880
ever had so yeah i'll shut up

1385
00:48:35,589 --> 00:48:33,520
you're the expert tell us no mark

1386
00:48:38,309 --> 00:48:35,599
are you feeling frustrated yet

1387
00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:38,319
this is how any serious scientist would

1388
00:48:42,549 --> 00:48:40,319
feel that really wants to look at this

1389
00:48:44,069 --> 00:48:42,559
issue and i know people have argued even

1390
00:48:45,990 --> 00:48:44,079
to jacques valet

1391
00:48:49,030 --> 00:48:46,000
this isn't science because there's

1392
00:48:51,349 --> 00:48:49,040
intentional actors here in the craft but

1393
00:48:53,510 --> 00:48:51,359
there is science there's the science of

1394
00:48:55,990 --> 00:48:53,520
propulsion there's the science of trans

1395
00:48:58,710 --> 00:48:56,000
medium travel there's

1396
00:49:00,309 --> 00:48:58,720
space time the whole thing whoever the

1397
00:49:03,190 --> 00:49:00,319
actors are

1398
00:49:06,230 --> 00:49:03,200
involved now the government has been

1399
00:49:09,510 --> 00:49:06,240
involved with this since project sign

1400
00:49:11,349 --> 00:49:09,520
back in the four late 40s at

1401
00:49:14,230 --> 00:49:11,359
wright patterson right turned into

1402
00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:14,240
project grudge

1403
00:49:18,309 --> 00:49:16,480
it turned into project blue book

1404
00:49:20,549 --> 00:49:18,319
what i was a little concerned about and

1405
00:49:23,109 --> 00:49:20,559
i'm sure others were at these recent uh

1406
00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:23,119
house hearings just last month

1407
00:49:27,109 --> 00:49:25,680
where's the continuity in government

1408
00:49:29,430 --> 00:49:27,119
we should be concerned just from

1409
00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:29,440
accountability normally you don't throw

1410
00:49:33,349 --> 00:49:32,160
data out every new project that comes

1411
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:33,359
along

1412
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:35,760
what did conden find it guys this is

1413
00:49:40,390 --> 00:49:38,160
there's no scientific continuity there's

1414
00:49:42,549 --> 00:49:40,400
no data continuity this is not

1415
00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:42,559
acceptable now it was a start okay they

1416
00:49:45,829 --> 00:49:44,480
had something but i would expect more

1417
00:49:46,630 --> 00:49:45,839
hearings

1418
00:49:48,390 --> 00:49:46,640
with

1419
00:49:50,790 --> 00:49:48,400
data what did that what has the how

1420
00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:50,800
about just a summary of the evidence of

1421
00:49:54,870 --> 00:49:53,280
what the government has found for 70

1422
00:49:57,750 --> 00:49:54,880
years that would be a good start

1423
00:49:59,750 --> 00:49:57,760
starting with project sign

1424
00:50:00,950 --> 00:49:59,760
that's publicly known not even the stuff

1425
00:50:03,030 --> 00:50:00,960
where they'd say oh well this is

1426
00:50:04,630 --> 00:50:03,040
classified stuff it's not classified

1427
00:50:06,549 --> 00:50:04,640
publicly

1428
00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:06,559
it even took like it took one of the

1429
00:50:10,870 --> 00:50:09,119
legislators to say well what about the

1430
00:50:12,710 --> 00:50:10,880
can't remember it was the minot incident

1431
00:50:15,030 --> 00:50:12,720
or some of the or maelstrom said well

1432
00:50:16,790 --> 00:50:15,040
what about this well uh we don't i guess

1433
00:50:18,549 --> 00:50:16,800
somebody official would have to tell us

1434
00:50:19,670 --> 00:50:18,559
to investigate that and the congressman

1435
00:50:20,950 --> 00:50:19,680
said

1436
00:50:23,109 --> 00:50:20,960
how about me

1437
00:50:24,950 --> 00:50:23,119
i'm i'm official can i can i be an

1438
00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:24,960
official person to tell you go

1439
00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:27,520
investigate this and and actually do

1440
00:50:31,109 --> 00:50:29,119
your job and not look like you're

1441
00:50:33,510 --> 00:50:31,119
completely incompetent didn't say that

1442
00:50:36,069 --> 00:50:33,520
that was mark's interpretation but yeah

1443
00:50:37,109 --> 00:50:36,079
i'll i'll shut up enough no no thank you

1444
00:50:40,230 --> 00:50:37,119
this is

1445
00:50:41,190 --> 00:50:40,240
can we ask for some basic accountability

1446
00:50:43,510 --> 00:50:41,200
here

1447
00:50:45,589 --> 00:50:43,520
the response that that department of

1448
00:50:48,549 --> 00:50:45,599
defense official had to that question

1449
00:50:51,270 --> 00:50:48,559
was well that isn't in our database for

1450
00:50:52,630 --> 00:50:51,280
our particular directive from congress

1451
00:50:54,390 --> 00:50:52,640
from last year this isn't in our

1452
00:50:56,549 --> 00:50:54,400
database i don't know anything about

1453
00:50:58,630 --> 00:50:56,559
minot or maelstrom

1454
00:51:00,790 --> 00:50:58,640
then you're not doing your job

1455
00:51:03,270 --> 00:51:00,800
you're not doing your job when all those

1456
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:03,280
nuclear missiles are affected repeatedly

1457
00:51:09,190 --> 00:51:06,240
they go offline the launch sequences are

1458
00:51:11,670 --> 00:51:09,200
initiated occasionally this is something

1459
00:51:14,230 --> 00:51:11,680
that we all need to be concerned about

1460
00:51:16,230 --> 00:51:14,240
and all it requires is a serious

1461
00:51:18,630 --> 00:51:16,240
national discussion i'm not saying i

1462
00:51:21,510 --> 00:51:18,640
have the answers mark you don't nobody

1463
00:51:24,150 --> 00:51:21,520
knows but can we have an adult are there

1464
00:51:25,109 --> 00:51:24,160
adults in the room

1465
00:51:25,829 --> 00:51:25,119
right

1466
00:51:30,069 --> 00:51:25,839
so

1467
00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:30,079
in the q and a

1468
00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:31,680
one of the things i think i'm going to

1469
00:51:35,589 --> 00:51:33,839
try to summarize some of the stuff

1470
00:51:38,230 --> 00:51:35,599
that's come up is there a lot of people

1471
00:51:40,710 --> 00:51:38,240
that have said things about hey i'm an

1472
00:51:41,990 --> 00:51:40,720
experiencer and i feel x y and z is

1473
00:51:44,069 --> 00:51:42,000
going on

1474
00:51:47,190 --> 00:51:44,079
what do you have any suggestions as far

1475
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:47,200
as resources for people that have had

1476
00:51:51,510 --> 00:51:48,960
experiences and

1477
00:51:53,670 --> 00:51:51,520
and feel like you know where do i go to

1478
00:51:56,790 --> 00:51:53,680
either find a community or to find

1479
00:51:57,829 --> 00:51:56,800
people who will listen to me and and

1480
00:51:59,589 --> 00:51:57,839
you know because

1481
00:52:01,349 --> 00:51:59,599
what i found in my own

1482
00:52:03,510 --> 00:52:01,359
experience in the area not being an

1483
00:52:05,589 --> 00:52:03,520
experiencer necessarily but someone who

1484
00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:05,599
came to this is some of the concepts

1485
00:52:10,150 --> 00:52:07,920
that come out are just mind-shattering

1486
00:52:12,069 --> 00:52:10,160
so i can imagine some people have an

1487
00:52:14,069 --> 00:52:12,079
experience it completely blows their

1488
00:52:15,670 --> 00:52:14,079
concept of reality

1489
00:52:18,549 --> 00:52:15,680
what do you have any suggestions for

1490
00:52:20,790 --> 00:52:18,559
them as far as places to go that

1491
00:52:23,349 --> 00:52:20,800
might

1492
00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:23,359
help them in a way that without going to

1493
00:52:27,349 --> 00:52:25,680
potentially some pretty dark places and

1494
00:52:29,349 --> 00:52:27,359
places of people trying to take their

1495
00:52:31,510 --> 00:52:29,359
money and so forth well there are very

1496
00:52:33,990 --> 00:52:31,520
good podcasts out there

1497
00:52:36,790 --> 00:52:34,000
okay i personally have enjoyed one that

1498
00:52:38,150 --> 00:52:36,800
i listened to is that ufo podcast out of

1499
00:52:40,230 --> 00:52:38,160
the uk

1500
00:52:41,990 --> 00:52:40,240
andy brillin

1501
00:52:44,710 --> 00:52:42,000
and uh

1502
00:52:46,790 --> 00:52:44,720
dan zetterstrom do that one and their

1503
00:52:48,950 --> 00:52:46,800
other good pockets so i would say just

1504
00:52:50,870 --> 00:52:48,960
look around for people that like us are

1505
00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:50,880
having an adult discussion

1506
00:52:54,950 --> 00:52:52,720
trying to bring in witnesses they've had

1507
00:52:58,309 --> 00:52:54,960
many witnesses come on these different

1508
00:53:01,670 --> 00:53:00,710
you should find the ones that

1509
00:53:02,950 --> 00:53:01,680
you

1510
00:53:05,670 --> 00:53:02,960
uh

1511
00:53:09,510 --> 00:53:05,680
resonate with that you feel aren't

1512
00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:09,520
balanced you know what we need here is

1513
00:53:14,710 --> 00:53:11,520
not overly open-mindedness that we

1514
00:53:18,230 --> 00:53:14,720
believe everything but if we're so you

1515
00:53:19,910 --> 00:53:18,240
know marsha cello truezl who started

1516
00:53:21,910 --> 00:53:19,920
psychos

1517
00:53:23,670 --> 00:53:21,920
he gave us a presentation at one of

1518
00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:23,680
these irva conferences the very first

1519
00:53:28,710 --> 00:53:26,880
one in 1999 he's passed on now

1520
00:53:31,270 --> 00:53:28,720
he said you know the reason he quit

1521
00:53:32,630 --> 00:53:31,280
cyclops committees for investigation of

1522
00:53:35,430 --> 00:53:32,640
the paranormal he said they weren't

1523
00:53:38,309 --> 00:53:35,440
skeptics they were scoffers

1524
00:53:41,670 --> 00:53:38,319
skeptics look at evidence

1525
00:53:43,910 --> 00:53:41,680
so i would suggest that you pick sources

1526
00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:43,920
where they actually have a serious

1527
00:53:50,230 --> 00:53:47,280
discussion and look at the data and

1528
00:53:52,150 --> 00:53:50,240
find out who's involved and uh it's a

1529
00:53:54,710 --> 00:53:52,160
very challenging time right now we know

1530
00:53:57,109 --> 00:53:54,720
the government is interested and i will

1531
00:53:58,710 --> 00:53:57,119
tell you in the book that i'm coming out

1532
00:54:00,309 --> 00:53:58,720
with in a couple of weeks dark matter

1533
00:54:01,670 --> 00:54:00,319
monsters about cryptids and ball

1534
00:54:04,069 --> 00:54:01,680
lightning and coherent matter and so

1535
00:54:05,589 --> 00:54:04,079
forth i talked to terry lovely so i

1536
00:54:07,349 --> 00:54:05,599
mentioned in this talk

1537
00:54:09,910 --> 00:54:07,359
just three or four days ago and he gave

1538
00:54:11,109 --> 00:54:09,920
me permission to say the following

1539
00:54:12,630 --> 00:54:11,119
because it's in the book and i was

1540
00:54:13,990 --> 00:54:12,640
really surprised but he told me put it

1541
00:54:16,549 --> 00:54:14,000
in the book he got a call from the

1542
00:54:18,950 --> 00:54:16,559
department of homeland security

1543
00:54:20,470 --> 00:54:18,960
they're doing a criminal investigation

1544
00:54:21,589 --> 00:54:20,480
of abductions

1545
00:54:24,870 --> 00:54:21,599
and they

1546
00:54:27,190 --> 00:54:24,880
are taking it seriously okay this is

1547
00:54:29,589 --> 00:54:27,200
public now i'm allowed to say it because

1548
00:54:31,270 --> 00:54:29,599
they called it they wanted to know every

1549
00:54:33,910 --> 00:54:31,280
blade of grass from the devil's den

1550
00:54:35,270 --> 00:54:33,920
incident and then at the end of his

1551
00:54:38,390 --> 00:54:35,280
going through the whole incident where

1552
00:54:40,870 --> 00:54:38,400
he's taken up with toby in the craft

1553
00:54:43,109 --> 00:54:40,880
the individual on the phone high level

1554
00:54:45,510 --> 00:54:43,119
person within dhs says we're doing a

1555
00:54:47,270 --> 00:54:45,520
criminal investigation of abductions of

1556
00:54:49,910 --> 00:54:47,280
ufo abductions

1557
00:54:52,069 --> 00:54:49,920
and terry said to him i didn't know the

1558
00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:52,079
federal government had jurisdiction over

1559
00:54:55,430 --> 00:54:53,760
extraterrestrials

1560
00:54:58,309 --> 00:54:55,440
legal jurisdiction and there was just

1561
00:55:02,230 --> 00:54:58,319
silence on the other side of the phone

1562
00:55:04,710 --> 00:55:02,240
you can read into that what you will

1563
00:55:06,870 --> 00:55:04,720
uh terry wanted me to put this out

1564
00:55:08,549 --> 00:55:06,880
because they haven't gotten back to him

1565
00:55:10,470 --> 00:55:08,559
and he's

1566
00:55:11,990 --> 00:55:10,480
thinks the public should know that this

1567
00:55:13,750 --> 00:55:12,000
is how seriously the us government is

1568
00:55:15,190 --> 00:55:13,760
taking the official

1569
00:55:16,950 --> 00:55:15,200
wow

1570
00:55:18,390 --> 00:55:16,960
well unfortunately i think we're at the

1571
00:55:20,710 --> 00:55:18,400
end of our time

1572
00:55:21,670 --> 00:55:20,720
i really wish we could talk more because

1573
00:55:23,190 --> 00:55:21,680
oh

1574
00:55:26,150 --> 00:55:23,200
this is one of those presentations where

1575
00:55:27,750 --> 00:55:26,160
if we were together in person we'd we'd

1576
00:55:30,710 --> 00:55:27,760
end the session then we'd all walk out

1577
00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:32,309
mark can i just say one last thing it's

1578
00:55:36,630 --> 00:55:34,480
gratifying that this issue is gaining

1579
00:55:39,109 --> 00:55:36,640
more attention the tension it deserves

1580
00:55:40,710 --> 00:55:39,119
after 70 years it may be slow but it's

1581
00:55:42,470 --> 00:55:40,720
something and it's building and i think

1582
00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:42,480
we can all be thankful that we're going

1583
00:55:45,510 --> 00:55:43,440
to have

1584
00:55:47,190 --> 00:55:45,520
some serious discussion and possibly

1585
00:55:48,870 --> 00:55:47,200
find out what's been going on and what

1586
00:55:50,870 --> 00:55:48,880
what's going on right now

1587
00:55:52,710 --> 00:55:50,880
absolutely well thank you i want to

1588
00:55:54,789 --> 00:55:52,720
thank you so much for the work you have

1589
00:55:56,549 --> 00:55:54,799
been doing over all of these years not

1590
00:55:58,950 --> 00:55:56,559
just what you're doing here for what

1591
00:56:00,630 --> 00:55:58,960
you've done with the ssc at the last

1592
00:56:03,510 --> 00:56:00,640
conference and the one that's coming up

1593
00:56:05,030 --> 00:56:03,520
are you presenting at the conference i

1594
00:56:07,109 --> 00:56:05,040
was putting so much work into my

1595
00:56:09,829 --> 00:56:07,119
upcoming book

1596
00:56:11,670 --> 00:56:09,839
i didn't have time to put a presentation

1597
00:56:12,789 --> 00:56:11,680
together so it's a lot of wonderful

1598
00:56:14,150 --> 00:56:12,799
sources together it'll be done in a

1599
00:56:16,470 --> 00:56:14,160
couple of minutes and i'll be back

1600
00:56:18,470 --> 00:56:16,480
giving presentations understood

1601
00:56:19,829 --> 00:56:18,480
understood well i'll be there i'll be at

1602
00:56:21,990 --> 00:56:19,839
the conference i think there are videos

1603
00:56:23,910 --> 00:56:22,000
from the last conference annalisa can

1604
00:56:26,549 --> 00:56:23,920
talk about that and at some later point

1605
00:56:28,309 --> 00:56:26,559
but i think for now we're gonna head in

1606
00:56:31,190 --> 00:56:28,319
back to the lounges

1607
00:56:33,750 --> 00:56:31,200
and i will see if annalisa wants to come

1608
00:56:35,829 --> 00:56:33,760
to the stage to give us direction about

1609
00:56:37,910 --> 00:56:35,839
that thank you all right and thanks

1610
00:56:39,750 --> 00:56:37,920
everyone for thank you

1611
00:56:42,870 --> 00:56:39,760
uh analisa do you want to give us any

1612
00:56:45,589 --> 00:56:42,880
direction about the ah here she comes

1613
00:56:47,829 --> 00:56:45,599
about our next yes annalisa

1614
00:56:49,829 --> 00:56:47,839
our next steps

1615
00:56:51,589 --> 00:56:49,839
the social lounge

1616
00:56:53,109 --> 00:56:51,599
anything to say about it or are we just

1617
00:56:55,829 --> 00:56:53,119
going to sorry i'm going to have to

1618
00:56:58,390 --> 00:56:55,839
leave my um camera off for now um but we

1619
00:57:00,230 --> 00:56:58,400
are going to have a 30 networking break

1620
00:57:03,030 --> 00:57:00,240
and i understand that john is going to

1621
00:57:04,470 --> 00:57:03,040
be sitting at the subtle energy table in

1622
00:57:06,630 --> 00:57:04,480
case there are questions that you wanted

1623
00:57:09,589 --> 00:57:06,640
to discuss that didn't uh we didn't have

1624
00:57:11,190 --> 00:57:09,599
time for uh simi you are invited to join

1625
00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:11,200
us in the social lounge at a table in

1626
00:57:15,430 --> 00:57:12,480
uaps

1627
00:57:17,349 --> 00:57:15,440
are you available i will be there

1628
00:57:19,589 --> 00:57:17,359
okay great and then we're also going to

1629
00:57:21,109 --> 00:57:19,599
have a table for uh i think general

1630
00:57:22,630 --> 00:57:21,119
discussion because there's already been

1631
00:57:25,510 --> 00:57:22,640
a lot of talks some people who just want

1632
00:57:26,950 --> 00:57:25,520
to vaguely talk about what their day

1633
00:57:30,069 --> 00:57:26,960
and i think we're also gonna have an

1634
00:57:32,549 --> 00:57:30,079
experience share table um so for the

1635
00:57:33,670 --> 00:57:32,559
next 30 minutes again table hopping is

1636
00:57:36,230 --> 00:57:33,680
encouraged

1637
00:57:37,670 --> 00:57:36,240
uh so uh we will see you in the social

1638
00:57:38,470 --> 00:57:37,680
lounge and i think we're coming back

1639
00:57:40,470 --> 00:57:38,480
with

1640
00:57:44,870 --> 00:57:40,480
who's our next speaker

1641
00:57:49,270 --> 00:57:47,270
well in about 30 minutes so yeah we'll

1642
00:57:50,470 --> 00:57:49,280
see you then fantastic all right well